I updated this post with everyone that was kept. Guys kept have been highlighted. The organization gets a little funky when you get to my and JJ's keepers since we had our trade -- one of my keepers is on "JonJay"'s team and all of JJ's keepers are listed where my team is located. I just changed the name in the "Team" column for those players.
Tuesday, October 4, 2016
Sunday, October 18, 2015
ELIGIBLE KEEPERS FOR 2015-2016
Here you go, suckas.
| Team | Player | Round | Keeps left |
alan
|
Anthony Davis | 1 | 1 |
| alan | Victor Oladipo | 5 | 3 |
alan
|
Elfrid Payton | 8 | 3 |
| alan | Draymond Green | 10 | 3 |
| alan | Trevor Ariza | 12 | 2 |
| alan | P.J. Tucker | 11 | 1 |
alan
|
Derrick Favors | 13 | 1 |
alan
|
Nikola Mirotic | 14 | 3 |
| alan | Evan Turner | 14 | 1 |
| alan | Monta Ellis | 2 or 3 | 3 |
anna |
LeBron James |
1 |
2 |
| anna | Kenneth Faried | 4 | 3 |
| anna | Pau Gasol | 5 | 3 |
| anna | Marcin Gortat | 7 | 3 |
| anna | Roy Hibbert | 8 | 3 |
| anna | Jordan Hill | 8 | 3 |
| anna | Arron Afflalo | 9 | 3 |
| anna | Trey Burke | 9 | 3 |
| anna | Eric Gordon | 9 | 3 |
| anna | Joel Embiid | 10 | 3 |
| anna | Jrue Holiday | 11 | 3 |
| anna | Brandon Knight | 12 | 3 |
| anna | Rodney Stuckey | 15 | 3 |
| anna | Ben McLemore | 12 | 1 |
| anna | Goran Dragic | 2 or 3 | 2 |
| anna | Damian Lillard | 3 or 4 | 2 |
annan |
Chris Paul |
1 |
2 |
| annan | Jabari Parker | 4 | 3 |
| annan | Bradley Beal | 5 | 3 |
| annan | Kevin Martin | 16 | 1 |
| annan | Josh Smith | 6 | 3 |
| annan | Brandon Jennings | 6 | 3 |
| annan | Nikola Pekovic | 7 | 3 |
| annan | Carlos Boozer | 9 | 3 |
| annan | Marcus Smart | 12 | 3 |
| annan | Tobias Harris | 14 | 2 |
| annan | Courtney Lee | 13 | 1 |
| annan | Nick Young | 16 | 1 |
| annan | Al Jefferson | 1 or 2 | 3 |
| annan | Deron Williams | 2 or 3 | 3 |
| annan | Kyle Lowry | 3 or 4 | 2 |
chris |
George Hill |
5 |
3 |
| chris | James Harden | 6 | 2 |
| chris | Stephen Curry | 7 | 3 |
| chris | Hassan Whiteside | 14 | 3 |
| chris | DeMarcus Cousins | 3 or 4 | 3 |
connor |
LaMarcus Aldridge |
1 |
3 |
| connor | Ryan Anderson | 4 | 3 |
| connor | Zach Randolph | 5 | 3 |
| connor | Kawhi Leonard | 6 | 3 |
| connor | Reggie Jackson | 7 | 3 |
| connor | Kyle Korver | 8 | 2 |
| connor | Taj Gibson | 9 | 3 |
| connor | Paul Pierce | 10 | 3 |
| connor | Markieff Morris | 10 | 3 |
| connor | Avery Bradley | 13 | 3 |
| connor | Lance Stephenson | 14 | 2 |
| connor | Mo Williams | 14 | 1 |
| connor | Donatas Motiejunas | 15 | 1 |
| connor | Boris Diaw | 16 | 1 |
| connor | Klay Thompson | 2 or 3 | 3 |
| connor | Mike Conley | 2 or 3 | 3 |
dad |
Serge Ibaka |
1 |
3 |
| dad | Jeff Teague | 4 | 3 |
| dad | Tyreke Evans | 5 | 3 |
| dad | Tony Parker | 6 | 3 |
| dad | Thaddeus Young | 7 | 1 |
| dad | Isaiah Thomas | 8 | 3 |
| dad | Chandler Parsons | 12 | 1 |
| dad | Anthony Morrow | 12 | 1 |
| dad | Wilson Chandler | 14 | 3 |
| dad | Brandon Bass | 13 | 1 |
| dad | Jusuf Nurkic | 16 | 1 |
| dad | Paul Millsap | 1 or 2 | 3 |
| dad | Kyrie Irving | 2 or 3 | 1 |
| dad | Nikola Vucevic | 3 or 4 | 3 |
Jonjay |
John Wall |
1 |
2 |
| Jonjay | Brook Lopez | 3 | 3 |
| Jonjay | Tim Duncan | 4 | 3 |
| Jonjay | Joe Johnson | 6 | 3 |
| Jonjay | Jeff Green | 7 | 3 |
| Jonjay | Greg Monroe | 8 | 3 |
| Jonjay | Amir Johnson | 9 | 3 |
| Jonjay | Darren Collison | 10 | 3 |
| Jonjay | Channing Frye | 12 | 3 |
| Jonjay | DeMarre Carroll | 13 | 3 |
| Jonjay | Harrison Barnes | 11 | 1 |
| Jonjay | Ed Davis | 12 | 1 |
| Jonjay | Jae Crowder | 14 | 1 |
| Jonjay | Jared Dudley | 15 | 1 |
| Jonjay | Dwyane Wade | 1 or 2 | 2 |
| Jonjay | Eric Bledsoe | 2 or 3 | 2 |
KC |
Dirk Nowitzki |
1 |
3 |
| KC | David West | 4 | 3 |
| KC | Kemba Walker | 6 | 3 |
| KC | Luol Deng | 7 | 3 |
| KC | DeMar DeRozan | 8 | 2 |
| KC | Paul George | 9 | 3 |
| KC | Julius Randle | 12 | 3 |
| KC | Mason Plumlee | 13 | 3 |
| KC | Timofey Mozgov | 12 | 1 |
| KC | Enes Kanter | 15 | 3 |
| KC | Jordan Clarkson | 16 | 1 |
| KC | Aaron Brooks | 15 | 1 |
| KC | Isaiah Canaan | 16 | 1 |
| KC | Henry Walker | 16 | 1 |
| KC | Ty Lawson | 2 or 3 | 3 |
| KC | Kevin Love | 3 or 4 | 3 |
me |
Kevin Durant |
1 |
3 |
| me | Blake Griffin | 1 | 3 |
| me | Ricky Rubio | 4 | 3 |
| me | Jonas Valanciunas | 6 | 3 |
| me | Jeremy Lin | 7 | 3 |
me
|
Russell Westbrook | 8 | 2 |
me
|
Danilo Gallinari | 10 | 3 |
| me | Khris Middleton | 8 | 1 |
| me | Lou Williams | 9 | 1 |
me
|
Gorgui Dieng | 12 | 3 |
| me | Giannis Antetokounmpo | 13 | 2 |
me
|
Alex Len | 15 | 1 |
me
|
Tiago Splitter | 16 | 1 |
me
|
Marc Gasol | 1 or 2 | 3 |
| me | Jimmy Butler | 3 or 4 | 3 |
vivek |
Carmelo Anthony |
1 |
3 |
| vivek | Andre Drummond | 4 | 2 |
| vivek | Andrew Wiggins | 5 | 3 |
| vivek | Nerlens Noel | 6 | 2 |
| vivek | Michael Carter-Williams | 8 | 2 |
| vivek | Kelly Olynyk | 9 | 3 |
| vivek | Danny Green | 10 | 3 |
| vivek | Corey Brewer | 11 | 3 |
| vivek | DeAndre Jordan | 11 | 2 |
| vivek | Kentavious Caldwell-Pope | 13 | 3 |
| vivek | Doug McDermott | 14 | 3 |
| vivek | Michael Kidd-Gilchrist | 14 | 3 |
| vivek | Rudy Gobert | 15 | 3 |
| vivek | Jodie Meeks | 16 | 1 |
| vivek | Dwight Howard | 1 or 2 | 3 |
| vivek | Rajon Rondo | 3 or 4 | 3 |
Wednesday, October 1, 2014
KEEPER STRATEGY
Since we've accumulated a few n00bs over the past couple of years, and because of certain conversations I've had with league mates (and trade negotiations I and others have had), I thought it would be fruitful to examine exactly what makes a good keeper in our league.
Some might say I'm giving away secrets or a competitive advantage, but considering that keeper trades that totally should have happened in the past haven't happened, I think it will benefit the overall health of the league to do this analysis. So pay attention.
Keeper Round is More Important Than You Think
The general point of this post is that where you get to keep a guy is almost more important than the quality of the guy in the abstract. We all want to keep stars on our teams, but there are only so many of those to go around. Keeping a quality rotation guy in a late round is an underused option. Keeping a star in a late round is the utmost in keeper value. (And keeping a star right around where he'd be drafted anyway isn't really doing much for your team.)
To illustrate this, I'm going to pull some figures from last year's ESPN player rater (which you can find here; keep in mind, these are totals, not averages -- in averages, for instance, Anthony Davis would be a super stud and Russell Westbrook would be a borderline first rounder, but they both missed a significant number of games). If you're not familiar, the player rater uses standard deviations and league averages in each stat category to determine how valuable each player is above the "norm" in each category. The total player rater score is simply all the category scores added together. (Yahoo's ranking system uses a similar, but not exactly the same, formula.)
These figures can give us a sense of the expected value in each round of the draft (and other tiers). I've created this chart as a handy reference. Pay more attention to the numbers than the names:
That's a lot of data to digest. For those who are more visually inclined, here's the same data in graph form:
Lessons from the Data
Let's see what we can glean from the data.
Caveats and Cavills
Of course, this is pretty quick-and-dirty analysis. We play in a head-to-head league, not rotisserie, so averages are probably more indicative of value than totals. And how well you draft makes a big difference -- the guy you draft in the 5th round might end up returning 3rd-round value or he might return 10th-round value. We just don't know until the games start. (Of course, this is why we even have good late-round keepers: some guys outperform their draft slots.) And past performance doesn't guarantee future returns -- we each will evaluate players differently, and so will disagree whether a guy is, say, a 3rd-round level guy or a 5th-round level guy.
But the overall principle still applies: you should be thinking about replacement value and opportunity cost when assessing keeper value. If any of you would have taken me up on my trade offers involving Klay Thompson a couple years ago, you'd now have a current 5th-rounder (by Yahoo pre-ranks; probably a 4th rounder in our league with all the keepers) in like the 10th round -- or, in other words, someone returning 3.5 to 4 surplus player-rater points (the equivalent of having an extra Danny Green, Jimmy Butler, or Josh Smith on your team).
Some might say I'm giving away secrets or a competitive advantage, but considering that keeper trades that totally should have happened in the past haven't happened, I think it will benefit the overall health of the league to do this analysis. So pay attention.
Keeper Round is More Important Than You Think
The general point of this post is that where you get to keep a guy is almost more important than the quality of the guy in the abstract. We all want to keep stars on our teams, but there are only so many of those to go around. Keeping a quality rotation guy in a late round is an underused option. Keeping a star in a late round is the utmost in keeper value. (And keeping a star right around where he'd be drafted anyway isn't really doing much for your team.)
To illustrate this, I'm going to pull some figures from last year's ESPN player rater (which you can find here; keep in mind, these are totals, not averages -- in averages, for instance, Anthony Davis would be a super stud and Russell Westbrook would be a borderline first rounder, but they both missed a significant number of games). If you're not familiar, the player rater uses standard deviations and league averages in each stat category to determine how valuable each player is above the "norm" in each category. The total player rater score is simply all the category scores added together. (Yahoo's ranking system uses a similar, but not exactly the same, formula.)
These figures can give us a sense of the expected value in each round of the draft (and other tiers). I've created this chart as a handy reference. Pay more attention to the numbers than the names:
| THE SUPER STUDS | SIXTH ROUND | TWELFTH ROUND | ||||||||
| Name | Pick | PR Score | Name | Pick | PR Score | Name | Pick | PR Score | ||
| Durant | 1 | 21.31 | R Foye | 51 | 6.52 | SLivingston | 111 | 3.8 | ||
| Curry | 2 | 17.53 | R Jackson | 60 | 6.01 | J Sullinger | 120 | 3.3 | ||
| LeBron | 3 | 16.55 | ||||||||
| SEVENTH ROUND | THIRTEENTH ROUND | |||||||||
| FIRST ROUND (REMAINING) | Name | Pick | PR Score | Name | Pick | PR Score | ||||
| Name | Pick | PR Score | R Hibbert | 61 | 6 | D Green | 121 | 3.22 | ||
| K Love | 4 | 14.54 | DWilliams | 70 | 5.51 | E Kanter | 130 | 2.88 | ||
| P George | 10 | 12.67 | ||||||||
| EIGHTH ROUND | FOURTEENTH ROUND | |||||||||
| SECOND ROUND | Name | Pick | PR Score | Name | Pick | PR Score | ||||
| Name | Pick | PR Score | T Gibson | 71 | 5.5 | R Allen | 131 | 2.85 | ||
| J Wall | 11 | 12.56 | P Gasol | 80 | 5.23 | M Morris | 140 | 2.53 | ||
| C Bosh | 20 | 9.69 | ||||||||
| NINTH ROUND | FIFTEENTH ROUND | |||||||||
| THIRD ROUND | Name | Pick | PR Score | Name | Pick | PR Score | ||||
| Name | Pick | PR Score | A Afflalo | 81 | 5.19 | J Crawford | 141 | 2.5 | ||
| P Millsap | 21 | 9.41 | B Bass | 90 | 4.92 | R Jefferson | 150 | 2.27 | ||
| T Ariza | 30 | 8.47 | ||||||||
| TENTH ROUND | SIXTEENTH ROUND | |||||||||
| FOURTH ROUND | Name | Pick | PR Score | Name | Pick | PR Score | ||||
| Name | Pick | PR Score | Westbrook | 91 | 4.92 | GHenderson | 151 | 2.25 | ||
| L Aldridge | 31 | 8.42 | V Carter | 100 | 4.46 | MWilliams | 160 | 1.79 | ||
| K Thompso | 40 | 7.74 | ||||||||
| ELEVENTH ROUND | ||||||||||
| FIFTH ROUND | Name | Pick | PR Score | |||||||
| Name | Pick | PR Score | MBelinelli | 101 | 4.43 | |||||
| G Green | 41 | 7.66 | P Mills | 110 | 3.9 | |||||
| T Lawson | 50 | 6.59 | ||||||||
That's a lot of data to digest. For those who are more visually inclined, here's the same data in graph form:
Lessons from the Data
Let's see what we can glean from the data.
- The Super Studs are amazing. Look at the numbers. Curry is equivalent to a late first rounder (Paul George or John Wall) PLUS a ninth rounder (Aaron Afflalo). Durant is like a late first plus a late third rounder (Trevor Ariza or LaMarcus Aldridge). Put another way, Curry is worth two Aldridges and Durant is worth two Nic Batums (again, on totals, not averages). It's like being able to start 11 guys instead of 10 every day, with that 11th guy being very valuable.
- As the rounds go on, value flattens. Studs are very valuable, first and second rounders are next, and then picks start getting more equivalent (or "linear" in the value progression). Another way to realize this:
- The score difference between the top pick and the end of the first round is around 10 points.
- The difference between the beginning of the second and end of the second: 3 points.
- Difference between start of third and end of third: 1 point.
- Every other round: less than 1 point difference from start to finish.
- Based on the scores, the average "first rounder" is equivalent in value to two late fifth rounders or three eleventh rounders. Again, it's like being able to play more people in your lineup every day than your opponents.
How to Use This for Keeper Analysis
It's pretty simple. Let's say you've got Paul Millsap (9.41 value) as a fifth round keeper. Is that better than Roy Hibbert (6.00 value) as a fourteenth round keeper? Let's do the math:
- Millsap's value (9.41) - expected value of a 5th rounder (7.1) = 2.31
- Hibbert's value (6.00) - expected value of 14th rounder (2.68) = 3.32
So by this analysis, Hibbert would actually be a better keeper, even if he's a worse player than Millsap and even though both have keeper value.
The essence of this is replacement value and opportunity cost. If you keep Millsap in the fifth, sure, you're getting value there. But if you didn't keep him, you'd still draft a fifth-round-level player -- which replaces a larger proportion of Millsap's value than a 14th-round-level player would replace Hibbert's value.
Another way to look at it -- what's better, A or B?
- (A) Millsap (9.41) in the 5th + a 14th rounder (2.68) = 12.09
- (B) A 5th rounder (7.1) + Hibbert in the 14th (6.00) = 13.01
Option B gives you more overall value on your team.
Caveats and Cavills
Of course, this is pretty quick-and-dirty analysis. We play in a head-to-head league, not rotisserie, so averages are probably more indicative of value than totals. And how well you draft makes a big difference -- the guy you draft in the 5th round might end up returning 3rd-round value or he might return 10th-round value. We just don't know until the games start. (Of course, this is why we even have good late-round keepers: some guys outperform their draft slots.) And past performance doesn't guarantee future returns -- we each will evaluate players differently, and so will disagree whether a guy is, say, a 3rd-round level guy or a 5th-round level guy.
But the overall principle still applies: you should be thinking about replacement value and opportunity cost when assessing keeper value. If any of you would have taken me up on my trade offers involving Klay Thompson a couple years ago, you'd now have a current 5th-rounder (by Yahoo pre-ranks; probably a 4th rounder in our league with all the keepers) in like the 10th round -- or, in other words, someone returning 3.5 to 4 surplus player-rater points (the equivalent of having an extra Danny Green, Jimmy Butler, or Josh Smith on your team).
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